I need the help of those who made the russian translation

[Gangleri2001]

Преве́д guys and sorry for speaking english here, I can't russian.

First of all, I must say that i don't know if this is the right forum, but please, don't move this thread so I can find it (I supposed it was right because there's a tex up there, so I supposed that this was for technic questions).

I'm translating Civilization IV into catalan and I'm having problems with the interpunct character (·, numeric entity 183). I just can't see it on the city bar, here you got it:

I can see this character in the civilopedia.
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/4269/civ4screenshot0012ye5.jpg

But I can't see it on the city bar.
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/2701/civ4screenshot0013zx6.jpg

Since I suppose that you should add the cyrillic characters, what file should I modify in order to see the interpunct on the city bar?

Well, sorry again for speaking english at civfanatics.ru and thanks for your help.

[BuDDaH]

:welcome1: to CIVFANATICS.RU, Gangleri2001


It seems we guess what you need :)

Please attach your files GameFonts.tga and GameFonts_75.tga (those you have and work with)

PS What is the default encoding for the Catalan language? (for example, Russian uses Windows-1251)

[Gangleri2001]

<div class='quotetop'>Цитата(BuDDaH * 5.5.2008, 19:22) 247122</div>

:welcome1: to CIVFANATICS.RU, Gangleri2001[/b]

Wow! Looks like you&#39;re looking for internationalize this site, and I thought that I wouldn&#39;t be welcome just because I write in English :D


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It seems we guess what you need :)

Please attach your files GameFonts.tga and GameFonts_75.tga (those you have and work with)

PS What is the default encoding for the Catalan language? (for example, Russian uses Windows-1251)
[/b]

Great! But there&#39;re two problems:

1. I don&#39;t have any program associated to targa files. What (free) program should I use?

2. This is a russian forum, so I don&#39;t understand the instructions. How do you say attach in russian?

I don&#39;t know what encoding uses catalan. I only know that it uses the spanish (spain) keyboard layout. Maybe this will help.

[BuDDaH]

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2. This is a russian forum, so I don&#39;t understand the instructions. How do you say attach in russian?
[/b]
Here&#39;s a short lesson of Russian to you :)

Обзор... - Browse...
Добавить файл - Attach File

It&#39;s in the third lower section of the Reply form - ОТВЕТИТЬ (Reply)

Click ОТВЕТИТЬ in the left lower corner of a message and attach the files!

[Gangleri2001]

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<div class='quotetop'>Цитата(Gangleri2001 * 5.5.2008, 22:18) 247161

2. This is a russian forum, so I don&#39;t understand the instructions. How do you say attach in russian?
[/b]
Here&#39;s a short lesson of Russian to you :)

Обзор... - Browse...
Добавить файл - Attach File

It&#39;s in the third lower section of the Reply form - ОТВЕТИТЬ (Reply)

Click ОТВЕТИТЬ in the left lower corner of a message and attach the files!
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Is this right?

Edit:
No, it isn&#39;t :(
Let&#39;s try again.

2nd Edit:

It doesn&#39;t work. I think that it&#39;s an internet issue. I can&#39;t attach this "fail" (xD fail)

[Гость]

please "zip" files before uploading

[Gangleri2001]

<div class='quotetop'>Цитата(Гость * 5.5.2008, 22:57) 247174</div>

please "zip" files before upload
[/b]

Hahahaha

Being a n00b is like this.

Well, all the special characters of catalan that are not yet included are:

[Борат]

WTF ? What are u talking about? :boo: It&#39;s 2 late , so translate into russian please ! :applau2:

[Гость]

<div class='quotetop'>Цитата(Борат * 6.5.2008, 0:43) 247192</div>

WTF ? ...[/b]
banned, 1 day :bang: see you later, Borat

[Gangleri2001]

<div class='quotetop'>Цитата(Борат * 6.5.2008, 0:43) 247192</div>

WTF ? What are u talking about? :boo: It&#39;s 2 late , so translate into russian please ! :applau2:
[/b]

???

Is this normal to him?

[Гость]

Gangleri2001, in what way you now translate and read?
you can try to esteem though any translation of a forum rus->eng
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=ht...tics.ru%2Fforum (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.civfanatics.ru%2Fforum)

about you question
wait for the master swan (http://www.civfanatics.ru/forum/index.php?showuser=4); probably, it tomorrow will read through this theme

my "speedy spoken inglish" from http://www.translate.ru/text.asp :)
in this site you may attempt "speedy spoken russish" esp->rus :) http://www.online-translator.com/text.asp?lang=es

[swan]

Fonts has taken.
The coding as I have understood is used Windows-1252.
This problem has appeared a little bit more difficultly, than I thought. But there is nothing impossible.
The first idea which has come - to correct fonts. A question such - it is how much frequent at Catalans the font "sylfaen" for various documents is used?

PS sorry for my english

[Gangleri2001]

<div class='quotetop'>Цитата(swan * 6.5.2008, 6:32) 247214</div>

Fonts has taken.
The coding as I have understood is used Windows-1252.
This problem has appeared a little bit more difficultly, than I thought. But there is nothing impossible.
The first idea which has come - to correct fonts. A question such - it is how much frequent at Catalans the font "sylfaen" for various documents is used?

PS sorry for my english
[/b]

It&#39;s not a very frequent font. But I checked it and I could write every catalan special character without problems with MS Word. Well, maybe the american distribution of this font lacks some characters, so, if this can help, I attach here my font file.

PS: BTW, what does the accordeon icon mean? I&#39;ve never seen an icon of someone playing th accordeon in english, spanish or catalan forums. Sorry for this off-topic comment, it&#39;s just the most shocking thing of russian forums.

[swan]

Strange. In file GameFont.tga this symbol is () but on what that to not clear me to the reason at the reference to it instead of it comes back value of a unknown symbol. It is necessary to look in SDK or Python-files for a place where the call of symbols from TGA-fonts is defined and there to correct this bug.

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PS: BTW, what does the accordeon icon mean? I&#39;ve never seen an icon of someone playing th accordeon in english, spanish or catalan forums. Sorry for this off-topic comment, it&#39;s just the most shocking thing of russian forums.[/b]
The icon playing on an accordion has some values. To explain all values difficultly enough is how to explain a condition of Russian soul. Depending on a context it can mean, that the author of the previous message has successfully joked or has written, something cheerful. Also it can mean, that to the author of the message is cheerful. In general it means pleasure, fun.
It is small feature Russian the Internet-subculture

[Гость]

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accordeon icon[/b]
rеаllу must be icon of "bayan (http://www.vtpp.kirov.ru/octava/src/big/bayan3.jpg)", not "accordeon (http://www.bayanjupiter.ru/images/jupacc1.jpg)"
http://www.rambler.ru/dict/ruen/00/06/a7.shtml

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Есть анекдот "хоронили тещу - порвали два баяна". Когда слышат старый много раз рассказанный анекдот, то говорят рассказчику "БАЯН", что означает "я эту шутку слышу в десятый раз".

translate to eng ->

There is an anecdote "buried the mother-in-law - have torn two bayans ". When hear the old many times, told joke speak to the story-teller: "BAYAN" that "I hear this joke in tenth time"

[BuDDaH]

Well, Lemme say. Please :pray:

Bayan is just an icon. The original meaning of the icon :bayan: is what Гость has said - a hackneyed and worn-out joke. Russian "баян" (bayan) is the internet slang word for hackneyed and worn-out joke.

But you are free to use :bayan: as you wish. You may express any idea or emotion with :bayan: as long as you are sure you are understood correctly. You may use :bayan: even in the meaning opposite to the original and conventional one if your interlocutor catches an implied irony in your message.

Any sign of a a communication system (and smiles are those within the forum communicatuion environment) will add up new meanings on the side of the original and conventional one through its creative use in the discourse by accentuating secondary features of a notion or sign in question.

So :bayan: may be used to express merriment, music, french songs, mother&#39;s-in-law funeral. whatever :) Anything that gets to your mind when you see :bayan:. But nobody can guarantee that you&#39;ll be understood correctly in this case. Use :bayan: at you your own risk and to your own enjoyment from communication!

[OT4E]

We say "bayan" :bayan: whenever we hear some joke or goship over and over.

[Gangleri2001]

<div class='quotetop'>Цитата(swan * 6.5.2008, 9:36) 247219</div>

Strange. In file GameFont.tga this symbol is () but on what that to not clear me to the reason at the reference to it instead of it comes back value of a unknown symbol. It is necessary to look in SDK or Python-files for a place where the call of symbols from TGA-fonts is defined and there to correct this bug.
[/b]

Any idea on how to solve this?

[swan]

You can write under the order all symbols of the Catalan alphabet? (the symbols differing the English alphabet in particular interest)

[General]

Here is some information:
http://www.paratype.ru/help/language/langu...asp?langCode=13 (http://www.paratype.ru/help/language/language.asp?langCode=13)
but what is the exhact order of the letters in the alphabet is not mentioned there.

By the was, I thought, that only Ukrainian language had letter Ї, but it turned out that Catalan has it too :yes: How is it read in Catalan? Another interesting fact I learned when searched information about the alphabet, is that word "barracks" derives from Catalan-Valencian "barraca" :yes:

[Gangleri2001]

<div class='quotetop'>Цитата(swan * 10.5.2008, 5:46) 247520</div>

You can write under the order all symbols of the Catalan alphabet? (the symbols differing the English alphabet in particular interest)
[/b]

Mmm... I don&#39;t know how is the order of encoding. I have no idea, but the traditional order we&#39;re thought at school is:

abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

[swan]

In this case the most simple way - to replace one of symbols not used in Catalan in fonts GameFont.tga, GameFont_75.tga and sylfaen.ttf
I Offer "

[Gangleri2001]

<div class='quotetop'>Цитата(swan * 11.5.2008, 14:37) 247631</div>[quote]
In this case the most simple way - to replace one of symbols not used in Catalan in fonts GameFont.tga, GameFont_75.tga and sylfaen.ttf
I Offer "

[swan]

We have made for you fonts - I suggest to test (a principle of work - instead of a symbol 183 is designated a symbol 255)
Well, if you have ICQ, connect with me on number 242344210. Probably both process and quality will improve then, and we&#39;ll be able to talk about cooperation and some other things concerning Civ4 and what not

PS Between 13 and 18 PM GMT

[Gangleri2001]

<div class='quotetop'>Цитата(swan * 12.5.2008, 17:25) 247759</div>

We have made for you fonts - I suggest to test (a principle of work - instead of a symbol 183 is designated a symbol 255)
Well, if you have ICQ, connect with me on number 242344210. Probably both process and quality will improve then, and we&#39;ll be able to talk about cooperation and some other things concerning Civ4 and what not

PS Between 13 and 18 PM GMT
[/b]

Bad news :( It still doesn&#39;t work, and it gets even worse. Have a look:

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/7232/civ4screenshot0015je8.jpg

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/792/civ4screenshot0016rx9.jpg

[swan]

It is strange. Why at you symbols did not begin to be started... You Can where нибудь to lay out the set of the Catalan texts? Concerning this set I and shall do corrections.

[Gangleri2001]

<div class='quotetop'>Цитата(swan * 15.5.2008, 14:17) 248056</div>

It is strange. Why at you symbols did not begin to be started... You Can where нибудь to lay out the set of the Catalan texts? Concerning this set I and shall do corrections.
[/b]

Mmm... I don&#39;t understand, but I suppose that you tell me to write you the set of catalan. Well, as I&#39;ve already wrote in another post, all our characters are:

abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

[swan]

I asked to give me XML-files with the Catalan texts. To correct fonts is easier, when it is possible to see at once, that has turned out

[Gangleri2001]

<div class='quotetop'>Цитата(swan * 16.5.2008, 19:39) 248194</div>

I asked to give me XML-files with the Catalan texts. To correct fonts is easier, when it is possible to see at once, that has turned out
[/b]


Well, I&#39;m already translating the texts. I think that giving you the textinfos_objects file will be enough to see if it works or not. There&#39;re about five interpuncts in this file. BTW, I&#39;ve replced the

[Gangleri2001]

Swan, did you get the file or have you forgotten this?

[swan]

Sorry to say, I have some troubles at my job. With severe staff shortage I have to work a lot and when I come back home I just fall dead and sleep.

However I still remember you need help. When I have opportunity, I&#39;ll try to solve your problem. Actually your problem appeared quite a big bug, that we avoided by the way, which can&#39;t be used to address your problem (due to Latin characters - we just substituted original characters with the Cyrillic ones using the rule of a thumb)

[swan]

You may try to substitute character